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	<title>Comments on: Caspian X and &#8220;Progressives&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we&#039;ve had 200+ years to get everyone affordable, accessible health care by the private sector; how&#039;s that going? What steps have conservatives taken to rectify the situation? What are your thoughts, as a Christian, as to how to get that done?

Simply &quot;caring&quot; about quality of life is not enough. 

 &lt;i&gt;14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.&lt;/i&gt;

So what&#039;s &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; plan to feed, house, clothe, ensure health care for &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; who need it without government programs, Christian?

It&#039;s my opinion that progressives working to enact/expand government programs to help the poor is far more in keeping with Jesus&#039; teachings than anything conservative Christians do, and your snark isn&#039;t enough to disprove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we&#8217;ve had 200+ years to get everyone affordable, accessible health care by the private sector; how&#8217;s that going? What steps have conservatives taken to rectify the situation? What are your thoughts, as a Christian, as to how to get that done?</p>
<p>Simply &#8220;caring&#8221; about quality of life is not enough. </p>
<p> <i>14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?</p>
<p> 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,</p>
<p> 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?</p>
<p> 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.</i></p>
<p>So what&#8217;s <i>your</i> plan to feed, house, clothe, ensure health care for <i>all</i> who need it without government programs, Christian?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that progressives working to enact/expand government programs to help the poor is far more in keeping with Jesus&#8217; teachings than anything conservative Christians do, and your snark isn&#8217;t enough to disprove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2553</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So you agree that government is the best entity to provide social safety nets? That affordable, accessible health care is a right?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sorry - what conversation are you having?

You can&#039;t &lt;em&gt;possibly&lt;/em&gt; be equating one particular view of how health care can be done - that government should do it - with Jesus&#039; teaching and saying that anyone who cares about &quot;quality of life&quot; &lt;em&gt;must obviously&lt;/em&gt; believe government should take care of X, Y, and Z social issues. You just can&#039;t be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So you agree that government is the best entity to provide social safety nets? That affordable, accessible health care is a right?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; what conversation are you having?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t <em>possibly</em> be equating one particular view of how health care can be done &#8211; that government should do it &#8211; with Jesus&#8217; teaching and saying that anyone who cares about &#8220;quality of life&#8221; <em>must obviously</em> believe government should take care of X, Y, and Z social issues. You just can&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: mKhulu</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>mKhulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killing children for convenience at any age is absolutely indefensable. Especially for someone claiming Christ. Definition of clinical terms not withdtanding, there is no &quot;right&quot; to murder one&#039;s children. Peace to our self-proclaimed liberal Christian writer, may God bless your heart and change your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing children for convenience at any age is absolutely indefensable. Especially for someone claiming Christ. Definition of clinical terms not withdtanding, there is no &#8220;right&#8221; to murder one&#8217;s children. Peace to our self-proclaimed liberal Christian writer, may God bless your heart and change your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you agree that government is the best entity to provide social safety nets? That affordable, accessible health care is a right?</description>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since trying to inject calm reason into the discussion isn&#039;t working, nor is trying to get the focus on the gospel rather which party Jesus supports, I&#039;ll be a bit more provocative.

&lt;em&gt;If right-to-birthers/conservatives would spend as much time fighting for and ensuring quality of life as much as they demand quantity of life, they might have some moral standing to force a woman to make a lifelong commitment. But they don’t and they don’t.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s nonsense, and either you know it and you&#039;re ignoring it, or you&#039;re willfully being ignorant and not learning a thing about the people you oppose. There are lots of Christians who believe abortion is wrong &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; care very much about quality of life.

I&#039;d get all &quot;offended&quot; by your broad-brush slam on &quot;conservatives,&quot; but I don&#039;t see where Jesus recommended indulging in hurt feelings and being all offended all the time.

Or consistently misrepresenting what someone has written in order to claim offense, for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since trying to inject calm reason into the discussion isn&#8217;t working, nor is trying to get the focus on the gospel rather which party Jesus supports, I&#8217;ll be a bit more provocative.</p>
<p><em>If right-to-birthers/conservatives would spend as much time fighting for and ensuring quality of life as much as they demand quantity of life, they might have some moral standing to force a woman to make a lifelong commitment. But they don’t and they don’t.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s nonsense, and either you know it and you&#8217;re ignoring it, or you&#8217;re willfully being ignorant and not learning a thing about the people you oppose. There are lots of Christians who believe abortion is wrong <em>and</em> care very much about quality of life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d get all &#8220;offended&#8221; by your broad-brush slam on &#8220;conservatives,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t see where Jesus recommended indulging in hurt feelings and being all offended all the time.</p>
<p>Or consistently misrepresenting what someone has written in order to claim offense, for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, that&#039;s gonna take us way off course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, that&#8217;s gonna take us way off course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But all the postering in earth could never cover the most evil practice of infanticide&lt;/i&gt;

Infanticide is illegal, as it should be, and abortion is legal, as it should be.

There is a very clear and distinct difference between the two, and it&#039;s been one of my guiding philosophies that if I have to exaggerate the severity of something, the original must not be that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But all the postering in earth could never cover the most evil practice of infanticide</i></p>
<p>Infanticide is illegal, as it should be, and abortion is legal, as it should be.</p>
<p>There is a very clear and distinct difference between the two, and it&#8217;s been one of my guiding philosophies that if I have to exaggerate the severity of something, the original must not be that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: mKhulu</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2544</link>
		<dc:creator>mKhulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any of us may slide into &quot;excuse my excesses because your excesses are more onerous than mine&quot; sort of mentality. I, speaking only for myself, cheer anyone who does anything which is an attempt to improve another&#039;s lot. But all the postering in earth could never cover the most evil practice of infanticide, even by the most sincere and generous of us. 

Jesus scorching scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites about their selective adherance to the law said, &quot;... these ye ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.&quot;

That description certainly fits as advice we each can share with another. Starting with ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any of us may slide into &#8220;excuse my excesses because your excesses are more onerous than mine&#8221; sort of mentality. I, speaking only for myself, cheer anyone who does anything which is an attempt to improve another&#8217;s lot. But all the postering in earth could never cover the most evil practice of infanticide, even by the most sincere and generous of us. </p>
<p>Jesus scorching scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites about their selective adherance to the law said, &#8220;&#8230; these ye ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.&#8221;</p>
<p>That description certainly fits as advice we each can share with another. Starting with ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Prinzi</title>
		<link>http://www.sdsmith.net/2009/11/17/caspian-x-and-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-2543</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Prinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No matter how it’s spun, the post is obviously equating progressives with slavery proponents and that’s very much offensive.&lt;/em&gt;

The post is doing no such thing, and this has already been covered. The post is giving a &lt;em&gt;literary example&lt;/em&gt; of an &lt;em&gt;entirely different world&lt;/em&gt; where progressivism caused a certain type of evil, to illustrate that progress is not always a good thing - we need to be careful what we&#039;re progressing &lt;em&gt;toward&lt;/em&gt;. Come on, now. You really want to tell me that progressive, utopia-driven, humanity-loving agendas have never resulted in tyranny and oppression? 

&lt;em&gt;Now, if you’d kindly direct me the portion of “truth of the Gospel” that matches conservative values…&lt;/em&gt;

I think the point of follow-up comments is that everyone else in the conversation isn&#039;t interested in forcing the gospel into the conservative vs. progressive debate. In other words, despite the fact that I could easily demonstrate where some values of conservatism match biblical values (as well as how some progressive values match some biblical values), no one else wants to play that game. The gospel is not a tool to win whatever side of America&#039;s culture war you happen to be on. It corrects both sides and offers something different, better, and more healing to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No matter how it’s spun, the post is obviously equating progressives with slavery proponents and that’s very much offensive.</em></p>
<p>The post is doing no such thing, and this has already been covered. The post is giving a <em>literary example</em> of an <em>entirely different world</em> where progressivism caused a certain type of evil, to illustrate that progress is not always a good thing &#8211; we need to be careful what we&#8217;re progressing <em>toward</em>. Come on, now. You really want to tell me that progressive, utopia-driven, humanity-loving agendas have never resulted in tyranny and oppression? </p>
<p><em>Now, if you’d kindly direct me the portion of “truth of the Gospel” that matches conservative values…</em></p>
<p>I think the point of follow-up comments is that everyone else in the conversation isn&#8217;t interested in forcing the gospel into the conservative vs. progressive debate. In other words, despite the fact that I could easily demonstrate where some values of conservatism match biblical values (as well as how some progressive values match some biblical values), no one else wants to play that game. The gospel is not a tool to win whatever side of America&#8217;s culture war you happen to be on. It corrects both sides and offers something different, better, and more healing to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;he seems to be saying that unless we do a better job of providing for little boys and girls it will remain more progressive to kill them early.&lt;/i&gt;

Not more progressive, more humane since cognizance is the greater part of cruelty. If right-to-birthers/conservatives would spend as much time fighting for and ensuring quality of life as much as they demand quantity of life, they might have &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; moral standing to force a woman to make a lifelong commitment. But they don&#039;t and they don&#039;t.

No matter how it&#039;s spun, the post is obviously equating progressives with slavery proponents and that&#039;s very much offensive.

Now, if you&#039;d kindly direct me the portion of &quot;truth of the Gospel&quot; that matches conservative values...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he seems to be saying that unless we do a better job of providing for little boys and girls it will remain more progressive to kill them early.</i></p>
<p>Not more progressive, more humane since cognizance is the greater part of cruelty. If right-to-birthers/conservatives would spend as much time fighting for and ensuring quality of life as much as they demand quantity of life, they might have <i>some</i> moral standing to force a woman to make a lifelong commitment. But they don&#8217;t and they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>No matter how it&#8217;s spun, the post is obviously equating progressives with slavery proponents and that&#8217;s very much offensive.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;d kindly direct me the portion of &#8220;truth of the Gospel&#8221; that matches conservative values&#8230;</p>
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